I was hoping to go all in with Jellyfin, but it’s been absolutely maddening to try to get it to play nice with my curated library. It just makes too many dumb assumptions about artist metadata.

Any other suggestions?

EDIT: I installed Navidrome, then poured over the documentation for the config file and micromanaged every setting. This has allowed me to get damn near close to the exact unobtrusive behavior I had hoped for.

EDIT 2: AFA mobile client goes, I’d absolutely consider paying for Symphonium, if it didn’t seem to require my having a Google Play account (fuck that). So instead I’m trying Tempo.

  • nfreak@lemmy.mlEnglish
    10·
    6 days ago

    I’m in the middle of writing up a novel about my music stack since I’ve just about gotten it exactly where I want it. There’s no one-size-fits-all answer here and it’s difficult to really replicate the behavior of major streaming services.

    The short version of what I have set up:

    • Backend: Navidrome

    • Frontends: Feishin (both desktop and hosted) and Symfonium

    • Remote access: Pangolin (this does involve keeping a Navidrome rest endpoint totally exposed so Tailscale/Netbird/Wireguard are fine too, but I wanted to be sure my wife can access it from her work PC in the office)

    • Library and metadata management: Lidarr, beets, and metadata-remote. Lidarr does the bulk (one instance per user/library), beets handles manual imports, and MDRM is for fine-tuning and really obscure stuff

    • Searching/Downloading: Lidarr + Tubifarry + slskd. Also support smaller artists as much as possible, bandcamp purchases and merch and whatever go a long way.

    • Discovery: Explo

    I’ll have a full beginning to end writeup pretty soon hopefully. It’s still not perfect, and juggling multiple users adds a huge layer of complexity, but I’m happy with where it’s at.

      • nfreak@lemmy.mlEnglish
        3·
        6 days ago

        This is gonna get a bit into my particular setup but sure

        Explo’s a super early in development “discover weekly” generator, relies on Listenbrainz scrobbling and runs on a cron job to download the playlist from your connected source (in my case slskd), put it in a folder, and create a Navidrome playlist out of it. I use the SLSKD_MIGRATE option (my feedback is actually the reason the dev even added it), so my files are downloaded to my slskd dir and explo moves them to a separate library.

        I’m very particular about my library though so I don’t want it just throwing everything into the same folder as the rest of my music, and I have 2 users, so my directories are like:

        /music/me /music/wife /discover/me /discover/wife

        Keeping the discover folders for Explo completely outside the main library, but mounted in Navidrome as additional libraries, helps keep things very separate. Explo’s also smart enough to check with Navidrome before searching for a track - if it already exists in the library, then it won’t redownload it.

        I run 2 Explo instances, 2 hours apart, and in between those runs I have another cron job that wipes out my slskd downloads directory for a clean slate.

        One small catch I ran into: Explo needs a Navidrome admin account to kick off the library scan, but my users aren’t admins (since an admin automatically has access to every single library). So each week when it runs I need to log in as an admin and re-assign each playlist accordingly. Not a big deal, and the dev already has some ideas in mind to address this in the future. This also becomes a small bit of an issue with the whole “don’t download existing tracks” thing - Explo’s looking at the admin’s library which is everything, not the individual users’ libraries. So if one user’s playlist has a track that’s in the other user’s library, it won’t be properly added. Not the end of the world, but a mild annoyance.

        I will say (and this isn’t a fault of Explo), I’m not a big fan of Listenbrainz’s weekly playlist algorithm. About 2/3 of the playlist tends to be artists that I already listen to, so it feels like a bit of a waste. I hope down the road we can plug in last.fm or something which tends to be a bit better for that.

  • Nico198X@europe.pubEnglish
    144·
    7 days ago

    SD Card on my phone. i don’t stream it anymore. storage is so cheap now i can easily hold all of my flac files, no problem.

    edit don’t look for solutions to problems you don’t have. most ppl don’t NEED to stream everything over the internet.

    go back to local.

      • slamphear@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        6 days ago

        I’m currently waiting for my Fairphone 6 to arrive, but I believe the sim tray includes a spot for an SD card. I was also recently using a Furi Labs FLX1, which also had an SD card slot. There are other options out there. 😊

      • Nico198X@europe.pubEnglish
        3·
        7 days ago

        sure, then in your case, if you absolutely must have access to it all at one time, then home streaming makes sense.

        for me, and i do imagine most ppl (tho i could be wrong!), it doesn’t make sense compared to just returning to local.

        genius that i am, i only realized that AFTER i setup a jellyfin server on my home server for streaming my music. XD derp.

        • HiTekRedNek@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          6 days ago

          I use navidrome. And what’s nice about it is, there are 3 people in my household, they can all access that. We all have our own favorite tracks saved in our preferred player, and we can still save a good chunk of them to our phones.

          In my case, I have a random mood playlist of 200 tracks that gets updated every morning before I wake up, my phone app caches all 200 of them, so I can play them without network access.

          • SidewaysHighways@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            6 days ago

            how does this work for you? i was on gonic but moved back to navidrome to allow for mopidy to let home assistant trigger playlists directly (with the mpd integration)

            but i haven’t figured out the smart playlists yet

            • HiTekRedNek@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              6 days ago

              I have a few smart playlists set up that are each various genres of music. It’s not perfect, but it works well enough.

    • Dr. Wesker@lemmy.sdf.orgOPEnglish
      1·
      6 days ago

      I use a DAP with an SD card on the go, because my whole collection is lossless and I like fidelity. However, it’s convenient to be able to stream music to my TV while doing house chores, in addition to allowing family access.

      • Nico198X@europe.pubEnglish
        2·
        6 days ago

        the family bit is key i think for needing a home server. some TVs you can do via BT to the phone.

        but if you’re setting it up anyway for your family, then yeah, best to organize around the server.

        good luck to you!

        • zygo_histo_morpheus@programming.devEnglish
          2·
          5 days ago

          Another option if you don’t have a family is to use DLNA for streaming to the TV, most TV’s have native support for that and you can just set up your computer to work as a DLNA server.

    • remon@ani.socialEnglish
      32·
      6 days ago

      So you only listen to music on one device? If not, do you swap the SD card between devices all the time or do you have a separate SD card for all devices? How do you keep them in sync, transfer playlists, etc? What if you have more than 2TB?

      Yeah, go local as in: Run your own media server and stream from that.

      But only keeping music files on the end device is a step in the wrong direction.

      • zygo_histo_morpheus@programming.devEnglish
        1·
        5 days ago

        I do use a media server but I could probably get away with just syncthing to sync my computer and phone, it would probably be easier even. Of course, if you have more than 2tb and you want it all at your fingertips then a media server is probably the right call.

      • Nico198X@europe.pubEnglish
        31·
        6 days ago

        i listen on two devices: my phone and my PC.

        depends on ppl’s use cases. a home media server is over-engineered solution for me, and perhaps others. but it’s good to stop for second and consider what one’s needs actually are.

        • corsicanguppy@lemmy.caEnglish
          2·
          6 days ago

          ppl

          I hate the kid-pidgin, but you make a really good point here:

          it’s good to stop for second and consider what one’s needs actually are.

          I mean, this is always excellent.

          Too often - you’ll see it in this comment thread - we go all out and show our own solution would fit OP’s case. And to them it must sound like “if you want a coke from the sev(7-eleven, like circle-k, Ted) you’re gonna need a van, a really big spring, a holocaust cloak and a wheelbarrow for sure.”

          Considering OP’s situation, skill level, fuckery tolerance and perseverance is key. Resilio could be all they need, here – Not elegant, not D.R.Y, not pretty, but its fuckery is low (good g.o.l.f number), but it could be fire-and-forget.

          Now, I’m not sure you’re not replying to a comment that says the same thing …just, not as well. Still good advice.

        • remon@ani.socialEnglish
          2·
          6 days ago

          Right, but considering that OP is already running a media server and also is looking for a way to curated his library, I don’t see how switching to on-device storage would be anything but a downgrade.

          • Nico198X@europe.pubEnglish
            31·
            6 days ago

            up to OP. i read it as “i wanted to go all in on Jellyfin, but it’s been a PITA. what else would you suggest?”

  • Jason2357@lemmy.caEnglish
    5·
    6 days ago

    Lots of interesting discussion, but I’ll add I’ve been plying with https://www.music-assistant.io/

    Integrates all sorts of backends, including everything mentioned here, with streaming to just about any device. Reminds me of MPD back in the day, or at least the promise of it.

  • mrdown@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    5 days ago

    I just use my local music player musicolet. Never going to switch unless another player alñow resuming last songs of any playlist

  • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    4·
    6 days ago

    Jellyfin.
    On the phone it’s only usable at home because I don’t have a VPN in place.
    But I could stream via the web ui which is not convenient.

  • Suzune@ani.socialEnglish
    4·
    7 days ago

    At the moment I’m trying out Ampache. It seems to have more features than Gonic.

  • gedaliyah@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    6 days ago

    One last comment on your edit: Tempo is great, and I used that as well, plus it’s open source. The symfonium dev is actually pretty cool about helping you work around Google if you want to buy it another way, but it has to be activated manually by the dev on each device. I just didn’t want the hassle.

    I’d probably go with Tempo if I were still using navidrome since it’s open source.

  • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
    3·
    7 days ago

    Careful curation of mp3 tags and a short leash.

    My Plex and Jellyfin libraries are the same files and they are both handled identically because I don’t let them think about the files.

    I used a tool to export my Plex playlists as XML, then wrote a little python to convert them into M3U, jellyfin recognizes the M3 use and just makes playlists.